Posted by cpnel on June 06, 2006 at 06:24:10:
In Reply to: Re: Revelation 13 [explained posted by Richard Smit on June 05, 2006 at 14:25:24:
Posted by Richard Smit on June 05, 2006 at 14:25:24:
Dear Richard
I appreciate your absolute sincerity;
I admit that to be bombasted by a lot of challenges on your faith is
disconcerting because I have experienced it myself.
I was there myself and to relate my experience would require a book full of
daily INFORMATION.
My first post on this site stated quite clearly that I have NOT the TRUTH.
The TRUTH we have to ask from the RUACH HA'QODESH.
I also made it quite clear that I practise no RELIGION because religion is a
philosophy, an ideology to rely on. I rely on the LAMB, not the religion of
the one that looks like a lamb, yet that has the voice of the dragon.
I made it clear that I do not worship in manmade temples, synagogues,
cathedrals, mosques, pagodas, or any dedicated place to any GOD
because I read that my SAVIOUR does not live in manmade temples. HE
LIVES INSIDE ME, HIS SPIRIT FILLS ME DAILY WITH BREAD, and from
HIM I recieve information through my SCRIPTURE as a reply to any
question I have.
Heb 8:10 “Because this is the covenant that I shall make with the house of
Yisra’ĕl after those days, says éäåä, giving My laws in their mind, and I shall
write them on their hearts, and I shall be their Elohim, and they shall be My
people. “And they shall by no means teach each one his neighbour, and
each one his brother, saying, ‘Know éäåä,’ because they all shall know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest of them. “Because I shall forgive
their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawlessnesses I shall no
longer remember.”1
Footnote: 1Jer. 31:31-34, Heb. 10:16-17. Heb 8:13
By saying, ‘renewed,’ He has made the first old. Now what becomes old
and growing aged is near disappearing.
HIS LAW is in my mind; I love it and I understand it, but you profess
Christian Antinomianism and please dont convince me you keep his law,
because then you have to keep the Sabbath and the Sabbath is annulled
by Christians, even Seventh-Day Adventists because the prescription for
Sabbath is not to go to church:
Exo 16:25cf And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to éäåä,
today you do not find it in the field. “Gather it six days, but on the seventh
day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” And it came to be that some of
the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none.
And éäåä said to Mosheh, “How long shall you refuse to guard My
commands and My Torot1? Footnote: 1Torot - plural of Torah, teaching.
“See, because éäåä has given you the Sabbath, therefore He is giving you
bread for two days on the sixth day. Let each one stay in his place, do not
let anyone go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested
on the seventh day1. Footnote: The seventh day of the week, the weekly
Sabbath, was observed before the Ten Words were given on Mt. Sinai.
Please note: “How long shall you refuse to guard My commands and My
Torot" This was before THE LAW of Sinai. It was written in the mind and in
the heart!
You are content with your Christian Church Denomination; so are ONE
THIRD of the entire world population and so are all the other religions also
content with their religion. Stay there because you have deciced and no
matter how hard the call "Come out of her my people!" You are stubborn
and you refuse to leave. Stay there!
Yes, you are his people, yes HE loves you, yes HE has also died for you,
but HE will never impose HIS WILL onto you; You must control your own
will to decide who you want to believe and who you want to follow.
I was as much deceived as the rest of the world; I grew up in a 'standard;
Christian home, but we are fortunate to live in the endtimes of the
revelation of disinformation. The truth shall prevail.
Joh 18:36 éäåùò answered, “My reign is not of this world. If My reign were
of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to
the Yehud'im. But now My reign is not from here.” Then Pilate said to Him,
“You are a sovereign, then?” éäåùò answered, “You say it, because I am a
sovereign. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, that
I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My
voice.”
"Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
If I had professed any lies to you, I am in deep trouble, and you must
guide me to the truth, but if I witnessed truth, you have the onus on you to
go to the THRONE ROOM OF THE UNIVERSE and ask for guidance.
The KINGDOM TO COME is the GOOD NEWS; the GOSPEL;
The KING OF KINGS has a Name; find out what is his name;
The KING OF KINGS has a LAW; find out what is his LAW;
The KING OF KINGS has a REALM, find out HOW TO ENTER THAT
KINGDOM;
The KING OF KINGS has a PEOPLE; find out how to keep your name on
the BOOK OF LIFE!
You say: "the whole Church disbanded. I wasted years of my life."
Why do you need a church? The very word 'church' does not even
appear in the original scripture, only in the corrupt translations.
I have written a small essay on 'Why I should come out of the church!"
I challege allo tcome back to me to proof me wrong should I have made a
mistake, yet no one has come back. If you say the tuth, none can
challenge you!
I have dealt with the word 'Christian' before, please read it or ask
questions about it and I will try to help.
Your statement that GOD "still draws close and calls each and every one
is true, depending fo which perspective: because the one that looks like a
lamb calls every one into one of the 34,000 churches and the real LAMB
calls every one out of the confusion of church.
It s your prerogative to choose whose voice you will heed.
Mat 22:14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”1 Footnote:1See
20:16.
Bible translations
The only reason why the ANGEL'S MAN of Great Brittain was domineering
the world is exactly what one of their lords admitted in their House of
Commons: "We would not have defeated the boers if it was not with the
help of the Devil himself!"
The simple Boers who left Europe because of the scourge of ROMANISM
had until 1983 no word 'kerk' in their Bible Translations,but since it was
inserted they lost their Country; their farmers murdered; their wives and
daughters raped and bastardized. . .
The reason why the devil made the Englishman ruler over half the world,
was for one single reason only: to spread the corrupt Bible KJV all over
the world with the word church in.
Through 'church' he 'caught 2,000,000,000 people to worship him!
Revelation 13 is true.
There is only one declaration about the 'everlasting gospel:
Rev 14:6 And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, holding the
everlasting Good News to announce to those dwelling on the earth, even
to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying with a loud
voice, “Fear Elohim and give esteem to Him, because the hour of His
judgment has come. And .” And another messenger followed, saying,
“Bab'el is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations
drink of the wine of the wrath of her whoring.” And a third messenger
followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast
and his image, and receives his mark upon his forehead or upon his
hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of Elohim, which is
poured out undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he shall be tortured
with fire and sulphur before the set-apart messengers and before the
Lamb."
"the hour of His judgment has come": It started in October 1994
(prophetically) We are now under judgement on our decisions as to who
we worship, where we worship and when we worship.
worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea, and fountains
of water: It refrains the age old declaration: “Remember the Sabbath day,
to set it apart. “Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the
seventh day is a Sabbath of éäåä your Elohim. . . . “For in six days éäåä
made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and
rested the seventh day. Therefore éäåä blessed the Sabbath day and set it
apart. " It colud not have been easier, yet Christianity scorns the Sabbath.
“Bab'el is fallen, is fallen, . . . " The religions are exposed as evil; the
reigns or regimes are exposed as evil; . etc.
“If anyone worships the beast and his image," The beast is Romanism
Christianity, whether you like it or not and his image is the 'church' as is
the 'Jesus' in the very first church [my specialized field of research.]
The image of worship for Islam is Mosque; Judaism is synagogue; etc.
"and receives his mark upon his forehead or upon his hand": the forhead
mark is in the church and the hand mark is 'political'. . . .
"And he shall be tortured with fire and sulphur before the set-apart
messengers and before the Lamb." Be careful how you decide!
the Trinity: compare the COMMA JOHANNUM on the web: the insertion of
a text to formulate the TRINITY. 1Jo 5:5 Who is the one who overcomes
the world but he who believes that éäåùò is the Son of Elohim?
1Jo 5:6 This is the One that came by water and blood: éäåùò Messiah, not
only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears
witness, because the Spirit is the Truth.
1Jo 5:7 Because there are three who bear witness:
1Jo 5:8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in
agreement.
Please, let me know, which Bible you use. I’d like to check it out, in
“minute” detail.
CERTAINLY: www.e-sword.net
Download any or all bible translations if you please, but the very one I
prefer is 'The Scriptures '98+' or the latest.
It is difficult to guarantee absolute perfection on any translation as it is
impossible to correlate the translation with the original script because the
originals are destoyed. Remember, if you ask the SPIRIT, He will teach
you the truh, I cannot.
I canl testify of personal 'light' and I appreciate if you warn me about
incorrect comprehension or misunderstanding or ignorance.
Believe me I fall on my knees every time I am unsure. How else can we
discover truth?
You say: "But is this not what you did, when you first “warned” Dr.
Janson of the consequences she and her readers may have to face.
Elana and her husband, like you and myself, are all sincere worshipers,we
must just make sure we are not deceived because the whole world is
deceived.
You ask: "Have you not obtained your information and historical facts
from what others have written in their books.?'
Yes by asking the SPIRIT to show me the deception, it is then easy to see
the TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE.
You also ask: "Have you not given your or their interpretation of these
historical facts. How do you know that the facts you supply and your
interpretations of these are correct. Do you have some special insight."
My reply: " I hope it is not my own interpretation and if it is let me know so
I can go back to the THRONE of TRUTH'
You say: "Personally, I don’t think so.You do exactly what “you accuse”
Dr Janson of doing. And the sad thing is, that you cannot “see” it.
My reply: "my appology if I misled you, please show me the truth then."
You accuse me: "Why do you tell us “only to refer to scripture” but you
yourself don’t."
My reply: "You are not fair, I have quoted scripture wth every statement I
made and if I omitted to refer let me know and I will give it to you."
You say: "Why in fact, would I or anyone else for that matter, want to
believe or support anything, you have to say."
My reply: "Dont; . . . . . find the truth for yourself, that was my initial
statement!"
I am not a Christian
I believe in SCRIPTURE and Christian was only inserted by translations:
(Acts 26:28 KJV+) Then1161 Agrippa67 said5346 unto4314 Paul,3972
Almost1722, 3641 thou persuadest3982 me3165 to be1096 a
Christian.5546
(1 Peter 4:16 KJV+) Yet1161 if1487 any man suffer as5613 a
Christian,5546 let him not3361 be ashamed;153 but1161 let him
glorify1392 God2316 on1722 this5129 behalf.3313
The more correct translation:
Act 26:28 And Agrippa said to Sha’ul, “With a little you might persuade me
to become a Messianite!”
1Pe 4:16 But if one suffers being Messianic, let him not be ashamed, but
let him esteem Elohim in this matter.
You say: "I don’t know where you get this nonsense from and in any case
it is only your (or the organization you follow) interpretation of what
Christianity (a Christian) is."
If what I said is nonsense, let us cease further communication.
You say: "You stick to what you have come to believe – the very hard way
– over many years. And lastly, I’m not afraid to defend what I believe."
So are 2,000,000,000 of your brothers and sisters in 34,000 different
Church Denominations with 2,000 different Bible Translations and 34,000
different Christian Dogmas and Prophecies and interpretations and
different baptism and church and hymns and liturgical rituals and
charismatic apparitions etc. etc. . .
convince me of your truth please!
cpnel@msn.com